The Mind Mastered: Secrets of Excellence with Dawn Grant Podcast
Season 1 Episode 21
In this conversation, Dawn Grant and Isaac Kenyon explore the themes of eco-adventure, personal growth, and the transformative power of fear. Isaac shares his experiences of rowing across the Atlantic and engaging in various endurance challenges, emphasizing the importance of community and the role of fear as a catalyst for growth. They discuss the impact of nature on mental health and the flow state achieved during team adventures. The conversation concludes with reflections on future aspirations and the importance of taking control of one's mind.
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Podcast Transcript:
Dawn Grant (01:13)
Hello folks, welcome back to the mind mastered secrets of excellence. And so, you know, what is it that those are excelling at different things in their life? What are they doing and how do they do it? And what are some of those secrets? And so not only do I like to help people to experience excellence, but I also like to pick their brains and find out, you know, what
What has brought a person excellence? What challenges have they faced along the way? What are some common denominators? All of that great stuff. So the mind mastered seekers of excellence, have Isaac Kenyon with me now and he is an eco adventurer, which I'm dying to know what that means. Human powered extremes for climate action and mental well being. That's a mouthful.
I can clearly see there's tons to learn about you, Isaac, and ⁓ what an impact that you're having on the world. So thank you for taking time to be a part of my podcast.
Isaac Kenyon (02:21)
yeah, that's a great entrance with eco-adventure. It always needs a definition, a defining definition, doesn't it? Right? To start eco-adventure, environmental focus, cause related impact with adventures and outdoors and that sort of thing.
Dawn Grant (02:31)
Yes.
Yes.
Did you come up with that word yourself? Okay.
Isaac Kenyon (02:45)
Yep. Although there
is obviously, you know, others who've used it too. I'm not going to lie and not say I've not seen it before being used, but I've used it in this way for representing sort of the types of things I get up to.
Dawn Grant (02:54)
Ha
Yes, I was scrolling through your homepage and do you know there are a group of guys here in the town that I live in who called four from home that rode the Atlantic Ocean and one of those little capsule boats that I see on your page. You've where did you row with your team? ⁓ yeah. Which was it the Atlantic?
Isaac Kenyon (03:27)
Yes, I rode across the Atlantic. went from the Canary Islands to the Caribbean Antilles. It was lovely. It was in 2018-19, so it was over the 2018 Christmas into January of 2019.
Dawn Grant (03:33)
Which year?
They do
that you sorry they do that yearly right? That's okay.
Isaac Kenyon (03:46)
Yeah, well, there's
people doing different times of year. So there is races. And we did it as part of a race. But there's also individuals who do it as a sort of self supported mission. When we say we were self supported as well, but there was a race element to it. So kind of there was communications going on. Whereas with them, you know, they just pack themselves and you get people who can do it in April. And
Dawn Grant (03:56)
Yes.
Right.
Isaac Kenyon (04:14)
The reason why you do ⁓ over the Christmas break or sort of December through to January is because we do not want the hurricane. That's it. Yeah. So you're avoiding the hurricanes. However, those who do it in April, they quite like the additional wins that they get so that you can break some records. So you will find some people do it in a more dangerous time to go faster. I don't know.
Dawn Grant (04:25)
Right.
Ut.
Isaac Kenyon (04:41)
You're the team that you spoken about but I'm gonna and if you could share me the details or whatever I'll check chest them up. Yeah Hmm Yep
Dawn Grant (04:46)
I'm looking it up right now. It says the world's toughest row 3000 miles.
was the total, teliski, telisker whiskey, I'm looking for their date. ⁓ It doesn't feel like it was more than three years ago. But what a cool thing. And we live in a fairly small town. So ⁓ I was actually mental trainer for ⁓ several of the guys on there. And one of the
Isaac Kenyon (04:54)
Tadeska!
Dawn Grant (05:16)
things I did with my hypnosis was ⁓ sea wellness instead of sea sickness. he, ⁓ he only had some sea sickness for less than like 12 hours. He was eaten by the second day and everybody else on the boat was not able to eat and had sea sickness for a while. Anyways, but yeah, I just saw that when I was flipping through and I can't see the year, but anyways, we'll move on.
Isaac Kenyon (05:22)
Mmm, that's cool.
Dawn Grant (05:45)
So cool and amazing, but I can understand that adventure that you went on, because I was a big part of the Four From Home when they were doing it, and my gosh, you know, the thoughts of how many days that they were out there and you were out there, but that's not the only huge adventure. Like tell me some of the adventures that you've done.
Isaac Kenyon (06:10)
Yeah, adventures have been small, large, at home, away from home. They've been very different formats. ⁓ An adventure in my view is something that kind of stretches me, pushes me and has a wider purpose beyond me. And okay, that's quite a broad term, but it's simply for that.
for this to be an adventure for me, has kind of hit those criteria. So some of the stuff I've been up to is endurance challenges in the UK. I've done things like cycle from the Orkney Islands, which are these archipelago of islands just north of Scotland, across sea from those islands, water biking over very dangerous tidal streams of sort of 20 knots. And then
surviving and then getting to mainland Scotland at the top of the most normal point and then cycling the whole way through and then getting to the southernmost tip of England which is of mainland UK and then getting on the water bike again and then doing another crazy stint on the water bike as cycling across water to the Isles of Silly which is another archipelago of islands just South West of the Cornwall in southern England. So that's one of the things I've done I've
Dawn Grant (07:23)
You
Isaac Kenyon (07:34)
run across the whole of Wales, doing some of the highest peaks in one go basically as a sort of endurance non-stop run. And then I've done some stuff that's just required me being in the gym. I've sat on a rowing machine for three and a half days straight non-stop and rowed, never stopped, which is an adventure in itself. It's almost like you transport yourself into a different world to sort of achieve something like that. You've kind of got to think
Dawn Grant (08:03)
Yes.
Isaac Kenyon (08:03)
literally
think outside the box. And then yeah, I've done lots of other sort of endurance challenges in different countries like climbing mountains and stuff like this. And it's all been usually focused around something wider and bigger than myself like a cause or something like that. Sure, we dig into that discussion later. Yeah. But yeah, it's been adventures been great. I've had a really good time, but it all came from, you know, taking a leap of faith.
Dawn Grant (08:23)
Yes. Yes.
What possessed you to come up with that? Because, okay, I see a picture on the website, you're on the bike type thing, but it has the floaties. Is that something you came up with as far as like you said, you paddled and then you did the next thing on the island and then you went and paddled again? Like, did you invent this concept? Maybe that's the wrong word. This flow of events in order to raise money, like was that your own?
mind coming up with that idea.
Isaac Kenyon (09:01)
Yeah, it wasn't chat GPT. was... It totally was from my own mindset. Yeah, I've got a kind of lot of different ideas all the time. I have a mind of a child and sometimes I have to reel myself in. Fiance is always saying like calm down, you know, that sort of thing. But I have a mind of a child. I'm happy to...
Dawn Grant (09:04)
That's not a team thing either. Like this is just you. Like it wasn't the to list your challenge or whatever.
Isaac Kenyon (09:29)
you try new things and take risk and actually follow through what I think, which is very unusual in this day and age. Everyone's very risk averse and they think of things they really want to do and they wouldn't do it.
Dawn Grant (09:38)
Yeah.
You
are like a soulmate with this man that lives over here. His name is Paul Lohr and he is one of the ones that did the Telusker challenge, but he's constantly thinking of the next thing he's gonna do to raise money for some kind of, you know, nonprofit or constantly. And so he's already got multiple other rows planned. He's always trying to get people to jump in with him. I don't think he's met anybody.
that's functioning at the same level as him. But you guys are probably like bosom buddies, like soulmates of some sort. He's just like you.
Isaac Kenyon (10:22)
like a bit of fun it sounds like
Dawn Grant (10:24)
It's interesting.
It's really interesting. and it, it takes an element of fearlessness, right? Because not only are you out there doing these events or activities that could stir up a ton of fear in somebody like being out in the middle of the ocean or whatever, rowing for several days at a time.
being out there by yourself, like whatever. There's so many opportunities for like a normal person to have fear, but not only, you have not only overcome what would be considered normal fear, but you like take it to all these extra levels too, and fearlessness. So, ⁓ yeah, because I'm gonna do it for three days. I'm not just gonna do it for five hours. I'm gonna do it for three days.
So I'm dying to get in your head. Like, when did this start for you? Were you adventurous as a child?
Isaac Kenyon (11:22)
Wow.
Yeah, I was kind of adventurous. My parents do say I was quite adventurous. I wanted to be someone who was in the Jurassic Park film. I was keen for Jurassic Park, right? And I actually studied geology and went into geoscience as a sort of a career field as well beyond the speaking and venturing. And it was because of my love of adventure and curiosity. if a dinosaur was real, I wouldn't be scared to
Dawn Grant (11:35)
That's unique.
Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (11:54)
Yeah, go see it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Choose which dinosaur wisely, you know, what's a But yeah, you know, it's kind of not something I fell into. It's something I discovered. So it wasn't it wasn't something was taught to me and to have this sort of level of the anti fear and things like that. You fear for me, fear for me is growth. Like I see fear as a.
Dawn Grant (11:56)
You're like, can I pet you?
Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (12:22)
really good opportunity rather than ⁓ something to stay away from. And that mindset is, know, growth mindset kind of thing. I very much see it as an opportunity to sort of stretch myself and whatever. But I also see it as, know, fear can be used in a way for good. You can turn something that's very scary into something that's very positive and impactful. And I've done it on a number of occasions. And once I did it once or twice, I saw, know,
This is a huge opportunity that no one is using. No one is making use of fear. Like, yeah.
Dawn Grant (12:56)
Give me an example. said
a few times you've seen it or you've turned it.
Isaac Kenyon (13:00)
Yeah, for instance, we
have, we have a let's go for a climate problem, climate issues. Everyone is very scared about climate, but people not acting, trying to change things what they do or provide some form of inspirational motivation to drive a more sustainable change. Let's let's call it that. So they're scared of change, scared of innovation. Now.
climate change and climates. This is adaptability. This is an opportunity here to look at the challenge and see, can we make things better than they were before? Now in a number of businesses, for instance, is sustainability practices have actually been very cost effective and profit making and innovative and have turned into opportunities. But not everyone sees that some people are just scared of change or scared of, you know, doing it because, know, this big existential crisis is too much. not
they get paralyzed. But if you take that fear, you can turn it into something that actually drives things forward. And that is a really like missing thing, I think that we we lack in society and most people, they see a fear and they just freeze. I mean, when you go into a keynote speaking gig, there's a bit of fear and you can freeze can't you as well, you before you're about to speak on stage of 1000 people. So there is that sort of
Dawn Grant (14:10)
Mm-hmm.
Yes. Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (14:23)
That's very possible, but then you can also take the opportunity of, yes, I'm scared, but I can turn that into nervous energy to translate my message and make it stronger for the audience. You know, there's always an opportunity with every fear moment. And I think sometimes we, yeah, we miss it. We miss that.
Dawn Grant (14:36)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, my brain is going to several different things. ⁓ It's interesting because I teach that fear based thinking is well obviously very limiting, but can be shifted to what would be love based thinking.
and you know, not to sound sappy or anything, but fear based thinking is I'm afraid I'm afraid that's gonna happen. I'm afraid this gonna happen. I'm scared of this. I'm this is horrible. This is, know, catastrophic. And so I'm my focus with people is always like, well, let's shift that to love based. Like, what can you learn from this? But ⁓ I'm hearing from you like more about embracing it.
and then shifting it, like seeing it as an opportunity, ⁓ which I like. Like you're, I feel like you're transitioning a little bit more gently. You're like suggesting, acknowledge it, embrace it, and then use it to help you to catapult forward or something. Yeah, yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (15:46)
Yeah, yeah. Catapult forward
or help others. It's amazing when you can be scared of something and act on something, but actually how much help that can give someone else or some or even the planetary ecosystem doesn't have to be people.
Dawn Grant (16:04)
Yeah.
I think also is like so many people would rather complain about the issue or feel like they're a victim of it versus being proactive towards it, right? Like do you notice that's kind of this, human tendency is to fester in it rather than well, okay, I see it. Now what can we do about it?
Isaac Kenyon (16:28)
100
% I was one of those people. This mindset didn't come to me. It was learned because I was festering in it and I all that was happening was downward negative spiral continuously. I was not getting out of this dark place I was in until I reframed what fear was. And that really helped me get out of my struggles.
Dawn Grant (16:49)
Okay.
Okay.
Isaac Kenyon (16:56)
issues of burnout and all these other things that were mental health, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, and things I had. There was a number of things that were going on in that moment that kind of triggered me to then start reframing stuff or else I just, there was no going back. was like, there was a path I was on. And if I continued that path, I wouldn't be speaking on this podcast today. So I had to make a shift and something had to change. And one of them was like how I defined
Dawn Grant (17:18)
right.
Isaac Kenyon (17:25)
fear and well-being practices and all these things changed in my life. And I still talk about today really, some of the stuff I learned in that moment has been so exceptional. I've been out to row an ocean, break world records, all these things that people, we were talking about overachievement earlier, like all these things that people say is overachievement was only possible because of this mind shift that took place when I was in my lowest point.
Dawn Grant (17:52)
How old were you at that, what you're calling your lowest point?
Isaac Kenyon (17:56)
I was about 19, 20 years old. So it wasn't too long ago actually, but through the years of sort of schooling out towards my university years where I was 19, 20, what the year happened at university was having the real problems. It was just compounding. As you were saying, I was just kind of letting it build over time and it was just getting worse and worse and worse. And I was just following this route years over years.
to a dead end. So I had to change my direction and everything like compass, I am, questions came out, know, all that deep thinking that sometimes you just don't have in your school days or at university. It's not something we're ⁓ trained to learn how to do. yeah, people figure it out from unfortunate events or sometimes they're quite lucky and they figure out.
Dawn Grant (18:26)
Yeah.
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Isaac Kenyon (18:54)
But it's very much ⁓ for me, it was a very unfortunate event. It's why I'm able to live fortunately today.
Dawn Grant (19:03)
Yeah, we're a pretty stubborn species. Most people have to hit some kind of rock bottom before they do anything different, right? This got to really be uncomfortable before they become more proactive and I find that kind of a fascinating thing about us humans. ⁓ So I love that you shared that you had hit some kind of a bottom and
And then you're like, I don't want to be like this anymore. Right. And it's not a matter of anybody else telling you like you had to come to that yourself. And yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (19:41)
I was two choices,
end it or don't. And if you don't make sure you make it count and change everything, you know, what you're doing. That was it. I was like real easy 50 50.
Dawn Grant (19:53)
Yeah.
So what was the first thing you did then?
Isaac Kenyon (20:01)
Swimming the English Channel. That was a good one. That was really good. I had a swimming background. I used to swim a lot at school and when I was younger, it used to be my favorite sport, partly because it was my mum's favorite sport and then she got me into swimming. And then from there, I was swimming, know, lots of hours, but inside in a pool. So sport was a good outlet for me, but it wasn't the thing that really screamed ⁓
Dawn Grant (20:03)
Okay.
Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (20:31)
excitement. There's nothing like being in a fishbowl. It's so exciting going from wall to wall. What I'm trying to say is that the outdoors was really where things started to really unlock for me. ⁓ The indoor stuff was great and it kept me fit and physically healthy and I had a focus and things like that. it wasn't quite exciting or it was very comfortable, know, just going up and down in lengths. It's a comforting thing.
Dawn Grant (20:38)
ever.
I could see that.
Isaac Kenyon (21:01)
I got very good and easy. You know, I got quick and good. And yes, there was some discomfort in terms of when I started getting competitive and pushing the boundaries of what's possible by increasing the hours in the pool and the demands in the competition days and all of that and the pressure. But the outdoors was just a different game altogether. That was not a game that I felt that I was playing from the start. It was something that
Dawn Grant (21:02)
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what was so I could see how it would feel like you were in a fishbowl and it wasn't really a lot of wow around it when you're swimming back and forth. So what was the next? So I imagine you figured that out pretty quickly. Like you're like, okay, I need a more wow factor. I need to be more.
Isaac Kenyon (21:49)
I was missing real
connection with myself. And I found when I was in the outdoors in nature, those deep meaningful conversations with yourself was really easily facilitated because you didn't have all the noise. You didn't have all the distraction. You just simply had that state of being. You can hear the sound of the trees and stuff like that, really meditative things. And then it was kind of in my mind.
Dawn Grant (22:09)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm
Isaac Kenyon (22:18)
How can I just keep incorporating more of this threading more of this into my life? Cause it's, I'm getting a lot of joy out of it and enjoying and connecting with myself out of it. So open water swimming was kind of a bridging thing where you could combine being outside and the swimming skillset I already had. then English channel sort of was the challenge to kind of, ⁓ build into, to sort of drive myself into that habit of getting outdoors more. Yeah. And then I did.
Dawn Grant (22:36)
Right
Right.
Isaac Kenyon (22:48)
then I found all these other sports and then it's just like kidding a candy shop.
Dawn Grant (22:51)
Yeah, I can see that ⁓ The So what was next after the channel cuz I'm thinking that you probably took a pretty big jump to something more extravagant What was next?
Isaac Kenyon (23:06)
That
was the three and a half day world record. ⁓ And that was part of the campaign for the ocean row.
Dawn Grant (23:15)
Okay, so.
Isaac Kenyon (23:16)
So I did
those two things to kind of together in tangent.
Dawn Grant (23:20)
Did you have fear going into that or were you already feeling like this is next logical step? I got this. No problem. Okay.
Isaac Kenyon (23:29)
Laserfare.
loads
of fear was scary but it was like ⁓
don't jump out this place. It's not like jump out of playing without parachute scary in my mind. It wasn't like I'm going to kill myself doing this. was there is risk. There is ways to overcome the risk. And one of the things that kind of reassured me from the fear factor level was that the fact that people have survived and, you know, crossed oceans with much less technology than we have today. The first settlers who just
Dawn Grant (23:41)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (24:04)
kind of went across different countries. ⁓ If they're able to do it, then surely I could do it. So there was that sort of feeling of, yeah, we are in a 21st century, there's all of this equipment, it can't be that hard really. Even though it looks like a really tough challenge, it can't be that difficult.
Dawn Grant (24:07)
Yeah.
Yeah, it's funny you say that because I think about that all like, if we're driving through the Blue Ridge Mountains or something, know, heading west in the US, I'm always like, how in the hell did those people survive, you know, the frontiersmen through the winter and everything, mind boggling, we could barely drive through with a car.
especially not in the winter. ⁓ I just find that mind boggling. But the other thing that's coming to my mind listening to you is that show alone. My husband and I love watching that. We sit down, we watch every episode in every country. ⁓ And one of the things that I enjoy from being a mental trainer is watching the transition emotionally, mentally and spiritually, ⁓ which a lot of the folks on that show say,
is so much more profound than the physical aspect of it. And that time alone, oh my God, it's, okay, I'm sure you've done this, that's why I'm about to talk about it, is like, when I'm watching this show, in my mind I'm thinking, okay, they don't have cell phone, don't have TV, they don't have the convenience stores, blah, blah, blah. So not even about the food or the shelter.
Like there's no distractions. And so all of sudden they're thinking about their mom who passed away 10 years ago and they're thinking about their childhood and they're processing all of these things that probably would have been buried their whole life because they would have been just distracted all day long with whatever they're doing. So ⁓ to me, that's one of the really cool things about it. Some of them bail as soon as it gets uncomfortable.
And I mean, not kind of uncomfortable. I don't mean the physical or the food. mean, like there's too many emotional things coming up. It's not even the alone aspect at that point, because that drives some of them crazy too, but just the thinking about their childhood or their life or their relationships or blah, blah, blah, know, whatever these things are that they keep buried. ⁓ Some of them stick around for the ride and work through those thoughts and emotions.
and some of them don't wanna deal with them. So I imagine you've had a ton of that at this point with all these adventures.
Isaac Kenyon (26:48)
Yeah, I've definitely met my past. I've met it, worked through it. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say all of it is fixed or solved or whatever. Some of it I'm content with it being how it is. There is obviously a lot of time to process. So much you can process and so much you can look forward to. The mind is the best creativity tool out there.
Dawn Grant (26:53)
Yeah.
Yes.
Isaac Kenyon (27:16)
So like even in the alone scenario, you can sit and you can process a lot of your past and things like that. But you can also think of creativity. How can I get out of this? How can I build a new skill? So there's so much, there's so much in just yourself and silence that often we just don't allow ourselves to have. It's almost like there's some sort of design going on in the world to prevent ourselves in silence.
Dawn Grant (27:39)
Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (27:45)
I'd love to know the reasoning behind that. Yeah, there's always a reason behind it, right? But it's, yeah, it's probably dark and they're probably going to cancel the show. But I think it's really important that people learn to spend time with themselves properly. And I love this whole like travel to find myself is often the travel where you're kind of in a remote region or.
Dawn Grant (27:45)
Yes.
Right? Me too.
Isaac Kenyon (28:14)
your cell phones off and you're having to rely on your own resources and stuff like that. that that kind of helps, you know, you you can work out things of your past or yourself where you're going. There's stuff that's really exciting. But I definitely have been in a lone situation. like wild, you know, wild camping or just we call it wild camping because it's it's not an illegal campsite. And so we just go off into the it's not really wild in the UK, but we
Dawn Grant (28:14)
Yes.
Isaac Kenyon (28:40)
or somewhere we just go into a really natural space and just spend some time alone. I like doing that. Sometimes I'll just take this sack, it's called a bivy sack, and then I'll just climb into it and just look out, stay under the stars for the night. Beyonce, she's always like, you're weird. Why would you do that? It's freezing cold. Why would you just go out on a hill and just sleep in a slug? ⁓
Dawn Grant (28:43)
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm in
Isaac Kenyon (29:08)
I know
Dawn Grant (29:08)
a slug.
Isaac Kenyon (29:09)
it's like a slug, wait a minute. It's really funny. But so yeah, I'd like to enjoy it. It's my, it's my time, you know, to reflect. And I've, definitely since that processing point when I turned my mindset around from a very dark place, I'm always giving myself space to continuously do that. It should be part of human nature. I can't imagine what we were like as undergatherers back in a day, but I'm sure we didn't have.
Dawn Grant (29:16)
Yeah.
Yes.
Isaac Kenyon (29:36)
Apple iPhones and advertisements and TV everywhere and every people had more time to process and think back then.
Dawn Grant (29:42)
For sure. I've told my husband, I'm like, I would love, I don't know how to do it, because I don't want to sleep on the ground, that hurts, it's uncomfortable. So I want to be able sleep at night. I don't want to have to kill any animals to eat, but I want to still experience that alone kind of thing. I don't know how though, I have to find some kind of balance. ⁓
I don't want to have to hunt and gather. And I want to sleep comfortably.
Isaac Kenyon (30:14)
You could take your
food like camping and just go into a remote area and know that, yeah, maybe tell someone where you're going and then you just give it a go. You just live out there with your food, cooking, cleaning, build your own shelves. Yeah, well, there is comfy veg you can make from natural materials. There's videos on it. I bet you could let.
Dawn Grant (30:31)
I need a comfy bed though.
Is it really comfy?
⁓
Isaac Kenyon (30:41)
Yeah, I've made beds from like bushcraft beds and built my own shelters and things and slept in them. Yes, you've got to choose wisely your sort of bedding and raise it from the ground and you can learn all of this sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, you do not want to be on the floor. The creepy crawlies going all over you. Yeah, there's ways to do it.
Dawn Grant (30:57)
Yes. I've learned all that from watching alone.
No.
⁓ huh.
Isaac Kenyon (31:11)
I think you can make it comfortable. So I've seen some bushcraft houses that people have made that they've taken like a month to do. Like a month of building the shelter and it's just in unreal. It's like an architectural incredible thing. Yeah. And then they stepped in it.
Dawn Grant (31:26)
I think that's so cool. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, well that, I love it. think that ⁓ humans, we're animals, you know, we need to be in nature just like any other creature and a lot of people don't recognize that. You know, the ones that are living in cities with concrete everywhere, there is a level of energy that they're lacking and you know, whether it's ⁓ form shows up as depression or whatever, ⁓ we need to be connected with nature and
those that recognize it and are deliberate about it can definitely benefit from that.
That's the fact that you recognize you don't want to be just, you know, swim back and forth in an indoor pool or something. You're like, I got to take this outside. It was pretty neat. But then everything else it looks like you've been doing is out there. Like you already know that this nature is where you need to be.
Isaac Kenyon (32:24)
Yeah, yeah, and I haven't gone as far as out of space. You know, I'm sticking to Earth. Yeah, I think Earth is enough for me. Yeah, but that could be the next thing, right? Space adventuring ⁓ is definitely something that's been explored with this whole debate of space tourism and things going on, which is a whole ethical story.
Dawn Grant (32:31)
For right now.
Okay.
Yeah.
Nice, nice. ⁓ So what's your most recent adventure?
Isaac Kenyon (32:57)
Most recent one so far has been this year. I've been focusing a lot on outdoor swimming again. So I've gone in full circle. I've gone around so many different sports and I'm coming back to the open water swimming because I miss it and I miss swimming. So I've started to sort of build into the next adventure already and I'm doing these sort of small adventures kind of building up into a larger placendo.
I'm looking forward to I've got this again wacky vision in my mind that I'm following like a compass. And yeah, we're bringing some of these elements from historical expeditions and taking the best bits that I enjoyed in all of these different areas and the things that made the best impact in all these different expeditions, like the best impact for maybe for the cause or inspiration, whatever it was, and then trying to put it together. it's constantly crafting, evolving.
Dawn Grant (33:40)
Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (33:54)
something that's really fun to follow ⁓ and yeah I'll be able to share more about it on my socials soon but I can't really reveal too much
Dawn Grant (34:01)
Okay,
okay, all right. But you said you're doing little adventures leading up to it. What are some of the little ones you're doing leading up to it? Are you able to say that?
Isaac Kenyon (34:10)
Yeah, just things to do with community really. Some of the things that I really enjoyed about all of these sort of adventures I do look out to, I have done some solo ones where I've been on my own and just completely did it by myself. Like I did an Iron Man with a weighted vest completely on my own. It was the first time anyone's ever completed that. And it was really challenging wearing the 15 kilograms for the whole thing. And it was really challenging.
Dawn Grant (34:14)
Okay.
Isaac Kenyon (34:39)
the physical part, but the actual hardest part was not having a team and not having community with it. That was harder than the actual challenge. So yeah, I'm doing a lot more community because I think it's more impactful. I'm seeing it grow more than doing the solo channel challenges ⁓ in terms of impact and inspiration, but also in terms of my own personal growth. think doing it on my own is just a
Dawn Grant (34:45)
Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (35:06)
Yeah, I kind of done a few things on my own. kind of know what it's like now. It's not, it's quite a growth inhibiting rather than expanding. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I'm sort of seeing it as a. Hindrance more than anything. So going back to community adventuring, so getting people involved to do like open water swims and stuff like that, litter picks and things together. So I'm starting to do that sort of thing. And then it's going to build into something even bigger with community.
Dawn Grant (35:13)
Okay.
Isaac Kenyon (35:35)
Yeah, community, my favorite word of the year this year.
Dawn Grant (35:36)
⁓
Community
You said the solo adventures are hindering even so tell me what you mean by that
Isaac Kenyon (35:48)
They tell a message that I don't agree with. So it's a message of push on through on your own. You can do it if you just keep going. ⁓ You can fight your own battles. It's not a message that really I think is a solid solution for ⁓ translatable inspiration to people.
Dawn Grant (36:13)
Okay,
yeah, yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (36:13)
I don't think
it's a helpful message. So I've come away from that now. I wanted to do it, to test what's it actually like on my own, doing it all myself. It was personal experimentation. And yes, I developed a lot more mental resilience tools to be able to handle it. Some things I never used in my previous expeditions I was using in the solo challenges and very exciting for me personally, but didn't help. Like it doesn't help anybody outside of it really.
Dawn Grant (36:42)
Yeah,
Isaac Kenyon (36:43)
⁓ it
Dawn Grant (36:43)
yeah, yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (36:44)
was quite selfish in respect to the kind of ethos I'm all about. I really do like to share and give and provide for the community, the people, the, the, the Earth's ecosystems, whatever I want a wider mission. So that's why I moved away from it. ⁓ but I'm glad I did it to know what it was like.
Dawn Grant (37:00)
Right.
That makes sense.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. That makes total sense. But you also started that way with your individual swim, right?
Isaac Kenyon (37:12)
Yeah, yeah, it was kind of like that. Yeah, yeah, but then but what happens is when you realize how special a team and community is, it's very difficult to go back, but I did go back onto the solo thing. And then I realized, you know, this really isn't that effective. And it doesn't help that many people.
Dawn Grant (37:13)
without realizing. ⁓
bright.
Yeah, yeah,
Okay, that's great perspective or insight there. ⁓ So you're working up to this next secret thing that's coming out soon on your social media. But what was the most recent adventure that you did before preparing for this upcoming one?
Isaac Kenyon (37:40)
Hmm.
The Iron Man with the vest. And then, yeah, that one was off outside in nature, kind of very much. ⁓ I guess if I was to describe it in one word, enduring. was very enduring. I was enduring it. And it reminded me of people just enduring for the sake of enduring.
Dawn Grant (37:57)
Okay, got it.
Isaac Kenyon (38:25)
The hidden message was once I relieved the vest and I reconnected with my people, my friends and stuff like that, life got better. So there was a film with it as well and it's touring film festivals. We had the film crew filming bits about it. But yeah, I mean, it was just enduring and I don't think that's that. Enduring is fun to a point, but it just reminds me of unhappy people pushing in one direction and not realizing that that direction is not serving them.
Dawn Grant (38:53)
Yes. Well, and you've carried that message into your ⁓ team building and your public speaking, I imagine, right? Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (39:01)
yeah, yeah, definitely. It's
a good message to share. You know, this doesn't work. This does work. That sort of That sort of thing. It's good translatable experiences. Yeah.
Dawn Grant (39:10)
Yeah, even in your.
even related to your ⁓ leadership trainings and such, right? You can't do this alone. You're not a one man band. Yeah, I could see that. I could see that all carrying over. ⁓ So you've got these long endurance kind of activities. How would you describe being in what's called the zone state?
Isaac Kenyon (39:22)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, 100%. Yeah.
Dawn Grant (39:42)
I'm sure you've experienced it a lot.
Isaac Kenyon (39:42)
Yeah, this, this,
yeah, this, the state of in the zone, it can come and go in different ways, like in endurance or in my work, I could be preparing a speaking gig or something like that. I'm in flow state. ⁓ when I'm on stage, it comes in different ways, but it often is when I'm riding in discomfort. I really get into it when I'm in discomfort because it
Dawn Grant (39:55)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
Isaac Kenyon (40:11)
when I'm in discomfort, it requires my full attention and focus. And I'm like, okay, I need to kind of really go all in on this and get this going. And when I'm swimming and you feel that cold water shock when you, when I was swimming the English channels, you know, 10, 11 degrees Celsius, a little speedo was allowed, no wetsuit. You get the shock, you're awake, you're zoning on your breathing, you're focusing on your breathing, you're focusing on keeping yourself moving, keep warm.
You're in the zone because you have no other things getting in your field of view. You just have to focus on that one thing. The same speaking, I get that a lot speaking like I'm on the stage, right? We're now doing the talk, da da da, and the same with even on the podcast like this. Sometimes I'll just go into the zone when I'm doing my chat. I enjoy it. It has to be something I enjoy as well. That sort of feeling of I'm doing what I love and
Dawn Grant (40:52)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (41:09)
That's important endurance. get that, but I didn't get it so much on the solo thing, the solo endurance challenges. got a lot of the team team stuff. Yeah. The team challenges. I really liked the rhythm of it. ⁓ in the rhythm that you get in this, in this, ⁓ this, this state of sort of, ⁓ good feeling you get this, ⁓ rhythm where you know that you're doing the right thing because you've lost track of time.
Dawn Grant (41:18)
Mmm.
Mm-hmm.
Isaac Kenyon (41:39)
As soon as I lost track of time, I'm like, I must have enjoyed that. Whatever it was, maybe it was an email. That sucks, but ⁓ I don't know, but it could be something like you're writing an email in that short pace of time and then, ⁓ it's been like 20 minutes, but you were really focused on that one thing and you really liked it. Yeah.
Dawn Grant (41:44)
Right?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Yeah. Yes. Yes.
That's a big aspect of the zone is time seems to fly by but another element is euphoric joy, fun, you know, those kind of words. Also feeling like it's not really you because it becomes more like instinctive or intuitive or automatic and that in that flow but
Isaac Kenyon (42:12)
Mmm.
Hmm.
Dawn Grant (42:25)
I've read, well, so I teach athletes how to do that. And then I've carried it over to other people, like normal people, because that's your peak performance state, right? But ⁓ I do remember reading a book once and it was talking about military and when they're training together and when they're ⁓ undergoing like ⁓ a mission that has specific timing and all that. And when they're in that, that flow together.
and how amazing that feels. And that's what that reminded me of when you just said that because it is a whole different experience when you're in the flow as a group versus in the flow by yourself. Because there's, there's a like amazement to it and an awe about it ⁓ and, the energy is even higher, right?
Isaac Kenyon (43:05)
⁓ yeah.
Yeah, that's why I like the team adventures. The rowing was really good because every awl stroke was together. So when you're rowing and you're enjoying the rowing movement, you're actually in flow together. That's and you're moving to the destination for this call. Yeah, everything is aligned. Really nice. Good rhythm for that. When I was doing the cycling expedition, I was with team and we were cycling together.
Dawn Grant (43:27)
Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (43:42)
That movement together was really good. I like team sports and team and outdoor sports. Yeah, it's really, really good. ⁓ it's a really metaphorical, you know, you can get it in your own work, can't you? Like you can have the sort of flow together when you're you and I speakers, you're if you're connecting with each other now, like we might be in flow now or, ⁓ on stage, you could be connecting with the audience and you suddenly realizing the audience is kind of with you on this sort of
Dawn Grant (43:47)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (44:10)
journey through the talk and then you're kind of in the flow. There's lots of different ways, isn't it?
Dawn Grant (44:11)
Yeah.
Yes, definitely. ⁓ That's one of my favorite feelings. Now that we're talking about is the more people in that room that are nodding their head and smiling, like we're on the same wavelength, right? That's one of the best feelings for me. And I get that when I'm one on one with a client and like private session, but it's like 1000 fold stronger when it's to a group. Of course,
Isaac Kenyon (44:31)
Yeah.
Dawn Grant (44:44)
I'm a hypnotist, so at times there are people that are skeptical sitting, you know, and they got their arms crossed and they're like trying to see if what I'm saying is legit or true or... ⁓ Obviously that's a whole different vibe, but I was out of speaking engagement.
maybe six weeks ago or something and everybody in the room was on and smiling and nodding and I was like, my god, this is amazing. I didn't have any skeptics. It was so great.
Isaac Kenyon (45:15)
Yeah, there's always a bit that can be a bit of skeptic because you are sometimes judged before you even walk into a room. If they have seen you online or your website, people can take a view on you and straight away before you've even met them. Sometimes I've come across that a few times. you're one of those privileged, you know, someone pays you to do all your ventures, a family and no, didn't work that way or ⁓
Dawn Grant (45:34)
Yeah, for sure.
Isaac Kenyon (45:44)
You're just like, really good genes so you can do all these things. You must be super duper healthy and that's why you're able to do these things. Yeah, people have skeptical stuff all the time, don't they? But they can make it a judgment like that just from reading your blog or reading something about you, even before they've even met you.
Dawn Grant (45:56)
Yeah.
That's one of the challenges, isn't it? And to not let that get to you. And guess if we look at secrets of excellence, that's one of them is to stay strong and confident and believe in what you're doing. But I also feel like if we looked at what's another secret here of this excellence ⁓ is to tap into that energy of community or group or.
Isaac Kenyon (46:09)
Yeah, yeah.
Dawn Grant (46:28)
or multiple people and not to think you have to do it alone or that you need to do it alone or that you ⁓ I think that's when the ego is involved right and the ego even in a team if one person's like do it my way we have to do it this way and you're in the middle of the ocean and you're trying to row that can be a problem so everybody's got to put their ego
you know, on a siesta, like chill out and let's work together and I might be right one time and you might be right the next time but we're gonna compromise and figure this out and we're gonna get in a groove where we all feel satisfied or content and it's a give and a take and there's this, I mean this whole thing that's going on versus one person that, you know, I know how to do it, we're gonna do it this way, my way or the highway and
Again, that's not gonna work very well out there in the middle of the Atlantic, but it also doesn't work well in businesses, right? that, the household, anywhere, any relationship, yeah. I feel like that's one of the biggest conditions, human conditions that we have the potential to grow from, but aren't necessarily all growing.
Isaac Kenyon (47:33)
Yeah or household
Dawn Grant (47:54)
past it, you know, there's still a lot of judgment, a lot of I'm right and you're wrong. And it should be this way and it shouldn't be that way. And I mean, how, you know, we've humans have been killing each other over that for thousands of years, instead of figuring out how to be in the flow together.
Yeah, you've lived that every time you're doing these extreme adventures as a team. Like you, you can't not compromise. Have you? Yeah, have you had experiences doing some of these team adventures where you have somebody who may have a big old ego and they weren't compromising and it brought challenges? Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (48:24)
Yep, no way.
Yeah, yeah, I've had
it. I myself, I would admit on the podcast, I've had ego myself, where I thought, hey, guys, I've done lots of world records. And this is what worked in the past. You know, I've done it, you know, I've I've leaned into my history and sort of tried to dictate things and had to stop myself. Usually I recruit good team members who are just kind of like
Yeah, Isaac, we know you've done all that, but come on, let's say and then they real me back. And that's good when you build your team to be able to do so. But I'm also being where like someone will not change their mind. I've had a really bad team member before in a very difficult, dangerous situation. And yeah, I mean, life and death can be like ego can kill people. It really can. We've we've been close to you. Yeah, I've had like literal
Dawn Grant (49:14)
Yeah.
For sure. Literally. Literally.
Isaac Kenyon (49:34)
survival before, which has been like not, wouldn't want that to happen again. But sometimes you can prevent that when you have sort of better connection and community before you raise the intensity, if we call it that way. So there were some lessons learned. And I have always every single expedition.
Dawn Grant (49:42)
No.
Isaac Kenyon (50:01)
gone into nature, giving myself time and space to think and reflect what worked, what didn't work, what we do next time better. And yeah, one of the things that came from that particular expedition was we definitely needed more time to connect, feel and understand each other and really get the motives and purpose behind the reasons why we're doing this sort of joint challenge. People are individuals. People have a different mindset. People have different, they come from different needs and wants.
Dawn Grant (50:25)
Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (50:31)
And sometimes there are some crafty guys and girls who are good at hiding the truth. ⁓ And I'm not a hypnotist or a psychologist or anything, right? So, you know, if sometimes I can ask these questions and someone can give me a really good answer, like in an interview for a job, and it's not true. So, yeah, I've over the years learned to one, bring out
Dawn Grant (50:38)
Yes. ⁓
I can't.
Yes. Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (51:00)
some more simulated stuff that can kind of trigger and before doing expeditions with individuals so we can get a true representation of what someone would be like in a high pressure. That's super essential. Yeah.
Dawn Grant (51:11)
And actions
speak louder than words, right? And that's a big thing that I've learned even being in the psychology profession. ⁓ I can be very trusting and ⁓ believe people and see the good in them. And then what happens is, you know, I don't know, I can end up in crappy situations. But ⁓ what I've learned is to watch, to be an observer and to watch people's actions.
Isaac Kenyon (51:15)
True,
Dawn Grant (51:40)
more than their words and and not necessarily telling them what I'm looking for. You know, it's not like, okay, we need someone who's going to go on this expedition who has this, this, this, this and this, you know, it's, mean, I guess you have to do that to funnel them in at some point. But ⁓ yeah, I'd be more observing and vetting. Do you let some go that aren't gonna bide well?
Isaac Kenyon (51:59)
Hmm.
yeah, I've had lots
of scenarios where I've had to say goodbye early. The Atlantic Row challenge before we had our team of four. And this is the challenge where there was a very difficult person in the survival situation. Well, they were very crafty. But I would say seven people were on the team before we had the four. So yeah, we really cycled through a lot of team members to make sure that
Dawn Grant (52:28)
Okay, yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (52:34)
there was a good mix and blend and gel and purpose driving wants that were very aligned as much as we could, but also the people had the capacity. That's another thing as well. Often, sometimes we can take things on where we don't have capacity because we want to be overachievers and you you can burn out and things like that because you're not taking care of your wellbeing, you take on this extra thing and then suddenly you're not.
Dawn Grant (52:55)
Mm-hmm.
Isaac Kenyon (53:01)
in right headspace for it anymore because you realized it's actually much bigger than you could chew and yeah, I mean, there's lots of reasons why teams don't work out, but there's a lot of reasons why teams do work out and I focus on those more.
Dawn Grant (53:15)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It reminds me ⁓ of going into business partnership with somebody and not properly vetting or, ⁓ when I think about it, I'm like, well, at work you spend more time with that employee or that manager or that business partner than you do your own spouse, because most people are working, you know.
whatever, eight, nine hours a day, and they come home and they're only awake a few more hours. look at the amount of time most people spend getting to know a significant other before they end up deciding to make it legal, right? But ⁓ work relationships happen so much more quickly. ⁓ so, one of the things I've learned from, years ago, was a single mom for like years, and I had a girlfriend whose husband, he used to say to me, ⁓
don't fall for their representative. He knew that guys would say whatever, you know, in the first several months, he was like, it three months of just watching and observing and figuring out who they are. Do not fall for their representative. And that's the resume, right? Like that's showing up in a job interview.
and you've written your own resume, so of course it sounds all great and you're gonna put your best foot forward, ⁓ but that's not really how to best get to know whether or not somebody's gonna be a great team player or a good part of your team. And the other thing that I've learned being self-employed is I'm very detail-oriented, ⁓ very organized, very detail-oriented. ⁓
And not everybody's like that, which is fine. However, if I hire a manager, I need that person to be detail oriented. know, they're an extension of me that I'm paying them to take my place. And I can't have somebody in that position that's not detail oriented or not, you know, super structured or whatever, because I can't work with that. Like I need that. And that's what I'm...
I'm taking money out of my pocket, meaning I could either do that job myself and get paid for it, or I can decide I'm gonna do something else with my time and I'm gonna pay you for it, but I need you to do it the way that I'd want. So therefore, there has to be an understanding of who we are and who the other person is in order to work well together, I think.
Isaac Kenyon (55:59)
yeah, 100%. I just wish sometimes you could try before you buy when you get a job. Like, can I spend three or four months just getting a paycheck, but just kind of watching what things are going on and yeah, I just see how things go. And then, no, I gotta go. I'm not liking this. Or vice versa the other way around. I mean, there's a probation, but it works in the favor of the company, not often the employee.
Dawn Grant (56:06)
Right?
Yes. Yes. Goes both.
Mmm.
Isaac Kenyon (56:27)
So it's
very interesting.
Dawn Grant (56:29)
Yeah, I used to do probation periods with my employees, I, um, I don't know, we never really took it very seriously. But if-
Isaac Kenyon (56:37)
Yeah, it needs structure,
doesn't it? So it'd be effective, yeah.
Dawn Grant (56:41)
But you're taking all that, all that meaning, ⁓ or meant to point towards all that's at a whole nother level when your life's depended on it. And again, you're like in the middle of the Atlantic, or you're climbing some mountain, everything that I just said is taken to a whole nother level of you gotta know yourself, you gotta know what you work well with, and does this person offer it, and then vice versa. ⁓
Isaac Kenyon (56:54)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Dawn Grant (57:10)
actions speak louder than words and a probation period. You know, there's so many different things.
Isaac Kenyon (57:15)
Yeah, there is.
And a skill set that I would say that's really effective is your sort of emotional intelligence. How can you connect with that person? How good are you at connecting? And can you really connect with them? So I came up short, short because this person was very crafty. But, you know, I'm now probably more expert to sort of read.
Dawn Grant (57:27)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (57:45)
and understand people. But that skill set is something people can learn and develop. You know, it's not something that I walked into. wasn't 16 years old and could read people and understand what their motives and what they're doing and from their actions and also connect with them and get them to sort of be a bit, you know, most people have to be a bit vulnerable to kind of reveal their true intentions. And that sort of thing is really a skill set ⁓ for
Dawn Grant (58:09)
Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (58:13)
a lot of the expeditions that I do, I have to really tap into that. And sometimes I get a lot of pushback from people and understandably. But at the same time, when I explain the risk, this is why this information is vital, because the risk is death. Like, I want to really know this sort of stuff. Now, you don't have that in a job. don't have that risk of death. Maybe it depends on the job. Depends on the job.
Dawn Grant (58:27)
you
Yeah... Yeah...
Right.
Right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (58:43)
Yeah. In the army, maybe
that's why they find you find in the military, the connections, the team building is so great. Why is that? Because the risk is super high. They have to really know each other and get to work together. You know, they could die. They could die. So the pressure is actually high. I think we live in quite a comfortable society where you can kind of get away with, you know, if you wanted to, you could start your own sort of remote working business and work from home.
Dawn Grant (58:58)
Yeah, for sure.
Isaac Kenyon (59:12)
don't have to communicate really with anybody if you want to do. There's these AI businesses now that you can own. Don't even have to communicate with anyone and the AI does everything for you and puts money in your bank account. And that I think is very limiting. It really shrinks our emotional intelligence, really shrinks our creativity, really shrinks like, you know, how we can become masterminds.
Dawn Grant (59:15)
Right.
Ugh.
What?
Right, right, right. I can definitely agree with that. Although AI has helped me take things to a whole nother level. When I look at it more like in a personal assistant, like the amount of time that it would have taken me to maybe research a certain topic, it just, it shrinks that, you know, and then, and then I can move on. But, so where do you see yourself in five to 10 years?
Isaac Kenyon (1:00:04)
Well, I would love to be continue what I'm doing now. I hope to God nothing bad happens to me and I don't get injury or sickness or something like that. So I can continue just doing what I'm and reaching more people, expanding the impact, doing more expeditions, bigger challenges. mean, I don't know how much bigger they can go, but yeah, still stretching me in some way.
Dawn Grant (1:00:30)
I'm sure you're gonna figure it out.
Isaac Kenyon (1:00:33)
⁓ and making ⁓ a really good, I guess, story of such that can be quite inspirational for others. Because that's one of the things I really like to do off the back of all the adventures and expeditions is communicate lessons and provide that sort of motivation, inspiration that yes, I could do something and follow my dreams to even know I
have this background that's slightly different to Isaac but it looks like he came from a very dark place and was able to go into this world and create something for himself so maybe I could do the same. Yeah there's stuff like that that's what I want to be able to be doing for the next five years and forever really until I can't go anymore.
Dawn Grant (1:01:16)
Right, right. So what would be your advice, your wisdom, ⁓ the most important thing right now that you feel you could pass on to an individual from what you've learned so far in your journey?
Isaac Kenyon (1:01:34)
The most important thing that anyone can take from our conversation today is really looking at fear as an opportunity. It really is. There is so much fear in this world and if we just use it in a different way, let's not use it for feeling negative. Let's use it as a way that we can reinvent ourselves or reinvent a thing or
Try to create a new opportunity from it. Because within fear it's sort of a disguise for opportunity that people don't see it's like a mask, know, just lift the mask and you'll see there's a really good positive thing out of it. Now, please do not take this as an opportunity to jump out of a plane without a parachute and stuff like this. I don't mean that. I don't mean that at all. But what I'm saying is like some fear, know, reasonable fear that you may have or something can be useful.
Dawn Grant (1:02:21)
No. Right.
Isaac Kenyon (1:02:31)
a very good opportunity that could unlock things for yourself, for people around you, for the world. And it's really annoying having all of these people with all this fear and all this opportunity going to waste.
Dawn Grant (1:02:46)
Yeah, yeah, I could see how that would be annoying for someone who has overcome so many different fears and really big ways. ⁓
Yeah, I'm sorry, my brains just go in there. I'm trying to think of what what annoys me the most and related to my profession because it is when somebody plays the victim role that like the poor me or the they would rather just complain than actually do something about it. That's probably what's but that is in alignment with not only what I teach, but who I am.
Isaac Kenyon (1:03:18)
Hmm.
Dawn Grant (1:03:26)
And so I can see based on who you are and therefore then what you also teach that what would be the most annoying thing for you is ⁓ when somebody just doesn't overcome the fear, right?
Isaac Kenyon (1:03:39)
Well, it's
not just overcoming the fear, but it's even just attempting, right? ⁓ like, ⁓ when I say fear, it's like, it's discomfort usually. And it's, ⁓ some people just, soon as something doesn't get, you know, is, this, is not comfortable. They run away sometimes. And like the, thing is, it's a losing battle from the start. The world changes.
Dawn Grant (1:03:45)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Isaac Kenyon (1:04:08)
everything changes. Climate change. Climate is always changing. Climate has always been changing. Everything's changing. Change is uncomfortable. So you have to embrace your fear eventually.
Dawn Grant (1:04:13)
Alright.
Right.
Yeah, I've noticed because I do work a lot with men, there's a lot of men that will say I don't have fear. I'm not I don't have any fears, Don, you know, and I'm like, well, I'm when if you can finish the sentence, I'm afraid. I'm afraid I won't be able to pay my bills because the stock market crashed. I'm afraid that I'm going to miss that target and then I be able to win this competition. You know,
It's actually built in there. They just aren't used to using that word fear and they don't like to say the words, right?
Isaac Kenyon (1:04:51)
enough.
Yeah,
I that's a whole stigma thing with men. It also ties into men's mental health problems. Yeah, there's a lot of thread from that particular ⁓ mindset and I guess is a sort of what do you call it a motto or something? You know, I don't get scared. don't get stiff up a little
Dawn Grant (1:05:18)
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that would be another takeaway, right? Don't be afraid to acknowledge, recognize, admit that you have fear and then but do something about it, you know, and you Yeah, write it out. Well, very cool, Isaac, I look forward to
Isaac Kenyon (1:05:34)
Because it could be the best thing,
Dawn Grant (1:05:42)
watching your adventures and ⁓ I appreciate you being here. do want to tell listeners that they can get free goodies and opt-ins on any of my three businesses at dawngrant.com forward slash free. Also follow me on social media. I'll give lots of free tips and good information on there. ⁓ Isaac, what is your contact info or ways that people can follow your journey?
Isaac Kenyon (1:06:06)
Easiest, go on to my website, IsaacKenyon.com and then the world of Isaac's there. Social media, blogs, content, you can find more ways to stay in contact and yeah, feel free to reach out. I am responsive. I do get to back to people if there is any discussion that came from this chat that we had with Dawn.
Dawn Grant (1:06:13)
Haha nice.
Okay,
perfect, perfect. Well thank you very much and I wish you well in all your adventures.
